Tuesday, January 26, 2010

Down In A Hole

Those who are familiar with the Vietnam war know that the North Vietnamese made extensive use of tunnels and underground bunkers, out of sight of aerial recon and hidden quite well from the foot soldiers on patrol.

A recent submission on JWR's site that I have mentioned before talks about creating separate cooking, sleeping and supply areas to keep discovery minimized.
 A Wilderness Hide Location for a Planned Evacuation

I’m thinking that if full societal collapse were to happen with panicked sheeple scrambling about looking for supplies, possibly your supplies, that it may be a good idea to mimic the NVA and go underground. Here is a video I found on YouTube that shows this idea, though without being hidden.

Here is a web page that has some pictures of the same place

Gives me some ideas...


  1. Hey scout been thinking along those lines my self.One of us may have do to do a post on how to operate a backhoe.HaHa Seriously though underground could work.I would caution people to be very carefull do to walls collopasing or cave ins.But study up.

  2. hi scout. i would think that would be a fine plan for hiding from the hungry masses, but my understanding of current satallite technology is that not only can scans be done up to 400 feet below the surface, but detailed identification of objects is also possible. so i guess as far as the NWO there's no choice but to stand and fight, ...and that would require free men to unite.
    unfortunately, here in canada we have no militia movement.

    tom, from canada

  3. Totally agree, should a collapse happen you will have millions of idiots who failed to prep looking for a free meal.

    Knowing how to hide your supplies and yourself will become an important skill to have in a collapse scenario

  4. ...one of my ol'shootin'teachers was a tunnelrat...stood 5'3"...he got 'volunteered' often...lol

    ...his property upstate michigan was covered in bunkers,all connected by tunnels...i saw two,a main 'room' with hammock/living quarters etc,a large connecter with stacks of gear and boxes,with no less than three tunnels leaving those,that we didn't explore...

    ...he was preppin' for the Y2K thing,last i saw him was 98,or early 99...anyway,sorry to ramble

  5. I don't think Tom in Canada is correct about satellite scanning ability. The U.S. military would have destroyed the caves in Afghanistan if it had a way to find them.

    I learned a little about this 10 years ago when an elderly neighbor of mine told me about the previous owners of my farm having found a cave when digging on the property about 60 years ago. At the time 3 generations lived there and one of the sons from the middle generation got all excited and wanted to get ropes and lanterns and 'go exploring'. He said the old gramdma was terrified at the idea though and made them fill it in. He was only 8 years old at the time but thought sure he could point out the spot to me because he had heard about the excitement and went over and looked down the hole himself.

    This might get long but if you will hang with me, I'll get to my point.

    I got excited about trying to find the cave myself but, suffice it to say, he was a little 'off' in pinpointing the exact spot. I hit limestone at 4 feet though, which shocked me because the rest of my farm has 50 feet or more of topsoil, but I knew then that I couldn't be too far from it.

    A couple of months passed and I got the idea to go talk to one of the family members who lived there at the time and was still living in the area. He remembered it too, although only 6 years old at the time, and was sure he could pinpoint the exact spot. He came over one evening to show me, and his 'spot' was almost 50 feet from my neighbor's 'spot'. I dug anyways. I found deep fissures in the limestone that I could probe with re-bar to 20 feet, but no cave entrance. I felt defeated and gave up.

    I'm almost to my point, thanks for hangin' with me. I have NEVER left this long of a comment before, I can assure you!

    The family member who lived there and was 6 years old at the time said that his dad wasn't necesarily wanting to explore the cave (there are many in the area) but was distraught at having lost his iron bar. He was using it like a pick-ax to break the limestone when suddenly it disappeared from his hands. After thinking about this over the winter, I got the idea to see if there was some kind of metal detector that could hone in on the iron bar and thus show me the 'spot' to dig.

    Now, finally, to my point:

    The Minnesota Department of Natural Resources runs a tour cave not far from where I live. I went to talk to the guy in charge to find out what kind of equipment one needs to detect either the bar or the cave. He said that, unbelievable as it may seem, underground scanning technology is not very advanced. The best that is out there is called "Ground Penetrating Radar" and often gives false images. It is super expensive and super slow. He said that it would take most of a day just to scan a single acre, and even then you may not get an accurate image. He said it costs about $40,000 a day and that it is mostly used only at archealogical sites around the world.

    He made the point that the geologists would love to know the location of every cave, but it's just not possible. A shovel and pick-ax, or a backhoe if you have the money, is still the only way to find underground caverns. My first point about Afghanistan bears this out.

    I gave up looking for the cave 9 years ago, but now you got me thinking that I should try again. It would be nice to have a 'spider hole' for when TSHTF!

    Mark in Minnesota

  6. The Hobbit house deserves a look. that guy thinks outside the box definitely.